Huang Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 The Treos will be in the downstairs system with a Rel T9, VPI Scoutmaster, PS audio Stellar Phono, Rogue Cronus Magnum III, M2 Joplin, & Chord TT2 (Mscaler coming soon). This should keep me happy fora while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Nice set up. PS Audio makes nice pre amps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomstruck Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Had bases fabricated out of three layers 1 1/4 thick black granite weighting 120lbs the spikes sit in spike floor protectors and 1/10 of an inch double stick sorbothane the speakers where realigned and tuned the denefits in one word focus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 They look great. I just had the two slabs with the adhesive. I like the chamfer. I only did a small round over and mine are nearly the same dimensions as teh bottom of the speaker (I added an extra 1/2" all around. I'd be doing this for any of the floor standing speakers as it will help focus as you said, but it also finishes off the look for me. Even my wife likes the black on black look (Quatro's that are painted Audi Havana Black on the black plinths that have a bit of copper sparkle in them to match the metallic pain which is the darkest brown Silkens could produce). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomstruck Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Thanks my wife didn't care if it sounded better she just loved look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrenter Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 @Tomstruck, what are the dimensions of your bases? I like your looks debate how much larger they should be compared to the base of the Quatros. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomstruck Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 The bases are 3/4" longer then the speaker and a 1 1/2" wider with 34"bevel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huang Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Nice job... would spikes screwed into a drilled and glued receiver in the granite base make a difference? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomstruck Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 My granite is on the carpet don't think two sets of spikes would work the 7s bases are in full contact and bolted to the bottom and spikes on the bottom of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Guys, just get Richards Vander shoes that hold the spikes. They have a special felt on the bottom to hold them securely in place so the speaker doesn't move. The reason they help with focus so much, is because it prevents the speaker from moving and that preserves the time and phase of the speaker. I think I said that correctly. If you are in carpet in to a wood subfloor, then I'd recommend the granite and shoes. If into concrete, then you are in great shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomstruck Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 ctsooner the reason I didn't use Vandersteen shoes thought the felt would slip on the polished granite that why I used the double stick sorbothane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 The felt he uses is done so it won't move. That's the beauty of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomstruck Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I will have to check them out more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Please do. I love the look on mine when sitting on the black granite slabs. I could see getting them in anodized black if he ever wanted to offer the in that finish, lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo hi-fi Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 First post here, hoping to get some answers to a couple of questions I have. I sent these questions to the Ask Richard site about 3 weeks ago but no reply. I emailed the company and nothing. In the past, Richard and the company have been very responsive and helpful. It's Covid time and everything is complicated, I guess. I have a pair of Treo CTs, that I love. As positioning the speakers is important for good sound, I have been reading about it. In one of his answers in the Ask Richard page, he states that "THE TREO CT IS DESIGNED TO BE USED WITHIN 12 INCHES OF THE REAR WALL". This seems a little strange to me because it limits very much the positioning of the speakers. In my experience the Vandersteen speakers sound better with some distance from the walls. Plus, I think that the Odd dimensions placement works really well and it is more flexible. What do you think? My other question was related to granite slabs. I've seen that some people find it helpful and Richard seems to endorse it too. I put some granite slabs --about 1" thick-- and it helped the sound. Nothing dramatic but tighter bass and better space between instruments, and they look very cool! My room has carpet on top of concrete. What I wanted to know was if the spike shoes that Vandersteen sells will have an impact on the sound. There is no information on the materials or design in the Vandersteen page. Not even a picture. So I am curious about them. Finally, the manual states that "Improper listening height can cause the speakers to sound bright or dull." To get this right, you need to adjust the tilt of the speakers by inserting washers in the rear spike. When do they sound bright? When there is too much tilt forward (too many washers) or not enough tilt forward? Any ideas will be appreciated. Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomstruck Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Hi Leo Let take this one at a time speaker position placing the speaker closer to the wall helps to enforce the bass but to close to the effects the sound stage one of the easiest ways is to put your speakers on furniture slides move them around until you get good balance Now on tilt back you have found the perfect place for your speakers place them on the bases at your seat use cushions by add or subtracting them you can tell if you need to add or subtract washers The granite bases do help the bass but also imaging too hope this helps Enjoy the Music Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Edwards Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Hello and welcome Leo. Thank you for joining this group; I’m sure you’ll find the exchanges useful and enlightening. I’ve been a Vandersteen fan / owner since the mid 80s. While I have learned a lot in the last five years about getting the most out of Richard’s designs, I am not an electrical engineer and would be painfully inept at explaining amplitude, impedance or negative / positive feedback, etc. What I can share is the importance of positioning. Richard’s recommendation of within 12” of the back wall probably has to do with bass response. It will generally increase with closer proximity. From the Quatros on up, the speakers contain built in powered subs with 11 band equalization, providing finer tuning of the bass to the specific room. BUT, the proof is in the pudding. If your Treos sound better to you farther into your room, that’s where I would place them. Again, investing the time to experiment with positioning will reap benefits. One side note: a change in sound is not necessarily an improvement ............ gotta let your ears and your brain make that distinction. Regarding Vandersteen spike shoes, my situation is different. My listening room is ground floor concrete, covered with wood-look-alike laminate planks; hence negating the need for granite slabs. I was using Herbie’s Audio Spike / Cone Gliders. When I replaced them with the Vandy footers, the improvement in sound was not subtle. I highly recommend them. I mentioned in another thread in this forum that it was, by far, the best $130 upgrade I’ve ever done. And tilt ............. I heard Richard say it’s the single most important adjustment you can make on a Vandersteen speaker. I had my Quatros set to the number of washers per the owners manual. Although, a laser from the top of each speaker indicated an uneven surface. So, I added an additional washer to the right, which brought the laser spot on. But, at 64 years into my journey, a hearing test concluded that I have lost some high frequency. Again, I thought I had the tilt set to the recommended angle, but it occurred to me that maybe a little more tilt would send the 6” window that the tweeter projects more directly at my 42” listening height. Bingo! ......... whether it’s the “recommended” angle or not, I’m hearing those cymbals better now. Congratulations on your Treo CTs! My Quatros are the older fabric version. Other than in the bass, with all the improvements made in the latest drivers, I’m pretty sure your Treos outperform my transducers 🙂. Play on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkmcc Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Steve Edwards said: When I replaced them with the Vandy footers, the improvement in sound was not subtle. I highly recommend them. I mentioned in another thread in this forum that it was, by far, the best $130 upgrade I’ve ever done. Hi Steve, did you source your Vandy footers from Vandersteen or a dealer? I'm interested in purchasing a set. (Did I see somewhere that you are in So Cal? In in Altadena in the LA area.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Edwards Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Hey John, yes, I’m in Orange County. But, though I’ve yet to meet him in person, I have a great relationship with John Rutan of Audio Connection in Verona, New Jersey. I ordered mine from him, though I’m sure Randy at Optimal Enchantment / Santa Monica or Bruce at Stereo Unlimited / San Diego would accommodate you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo hi-fi Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Thank you for the replies. Very helpful. Tom, thanks for the advice. That is what I've tried to do, with good results. I wonder if the thickness of the slabs has any effect on the sound. Mine are only 1 inch thick. Steve, I agree with your comments on the distance to the rear wall. I'm still curious about Richard's comment. I have the feeling that the meant something else, not that the best position is 12'' or less from the wall. Maybe something more like "even if the speakers are very close to the walls they still will sound great". I wanted to have a more technical explanation from him. Just curious. On the tilt, your comments are very helpful. At the beginning the Treos were sounding a little bright. I moved them away from the side walls (a few inches), toed in a little, and added one more washer than what the manual indicates, and it solved the issue. Then I added the slabs and sound got even better. I may get the spike shoes, it's a cheap tweak. I just wanted to have some info from Vandersteen on the materials, and why he thinks they help with the sound. There isn't even a picture on the Vandersteen site. Same as you, I have no technical preparation at all, but I try to understand, as much as I can, the technical part of this hobby. Just for fun (or to torture my aging brain, I'm 67 :)). Again, thanks for the replies. Happy listening. Leo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Welcome Leo and I hope you stay and enjoy the forums going forward! Folks have covered placement, so all I'll share is that I had the Treo's (Gardener Bob on the forum now proudly owns them). I had them about 30" out and they sounded great. I now have Quatro CT's and Rutan set them up right in the corners of the room. They sound great there too. You can put them wherever they sound best in your room. As for granite bases, I too have them. I had two slabs glued together. I got the Vander feet like the others on the board. He uses a special felt that makes the difference. That said, if you are spiking directly to concrete you may not hear a difference. The whole idea is to make sure your speakers aren't moving at all. it's all about keeping the time and phase correct. Fundamental Vandersteen design. Just like trying to feed them a fully balanced, zero feedback signal. Not sure if I added anything to the thread, but your questions are excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gallup Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) Been reading through these posts and am getting confused, as often happens to me these days. My listening room has suspended floors (3/4" reclaimed T&G hardwood over T&G plywood, on TJI floor joists) with no carpet under the speaker locations. Right now the Quatro Wood CTs stand on their spikes, and the spikes are on little brass disks to protect the floors from punctures. Do understand that the preferred support system in my condition would be speakers on spikes on Vandercones on granite plinths? Am I allowed or recommended to put anything between the granite plinths and the floor? Seems like anything that protected the floors from the granite would introduce flex. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Edited May 11, 2021 by John Gallup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Vandersteen Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Felt will protect the floor but the speaker will not move the granite relative to the floor because of the large surface area. Granite does not flex so the entire surface would have to move. Granite is slightly bright so our Spike Shoes should be used to isolate this character. How much of an improvement depends on how much flex your wood sub-floor has. RV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdnrBob Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 @Richard Vandersteen, I am wondering what your thought are regarding using spring mounted platforms under Vandy speakers? RW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Vandersteen Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Not! Give me a call 559-816-2411 because there are a few situations where it can be an improvement. External seismic action in the floor under the speakers. Isolating bass to another room can be helped by using a sprung platform but at the expense of dynamics and definition at the listeners seat. RV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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