Super tweeter add on

[ghamilton]

I have the 2Ce sig lll.

After listening to the Golden ear speakers with their folded ribbon tweeters I realized I was missing something on my new 2Ce Siglll. I am considering adding a ribbon super tweeter that will set on top.

Any comments?

[Richard Vandersteen]

ghamilton, this would be very difficult to implement without test equipment.  We have tested many folded ribbons and found them filled with resonances as can be seen in Stereophile's measurements of the speakers.  Notice all the splash and increased hash above 7-8k, something I would never do.  This can be attractive at first but will be fatiguing long term, IMO.   This I believe is why they are seldom used in high-end dynamic speakers.  You however are the Boss and need to do what floats your boat!  RV  

[ghamilton]

Thanks for your guidance Richard!

[stratocaster]

@ghamilton how were you envisioning securing the super tweeter on top of the speakers (considering the tilt). Not to mention the fabric can’t handle the weight of the boxes.

[ghamilton]

Not sure. I may not do it at all.

[TomicTime]

A good example where an extended evaluation is sometimes helpful for the ear / brain to discern short term attractiveness vs long term musicality WITHOUT fatigue….. 

[ghamilton]

Thanks

[ghamilton]

Some of us older folks could use a little extra high end. So far,...the folded ribbon in the Golden ear speakers are not fatiguing.

[GdnrBob]

Ribbon tweeters always sounded more dynamic at first listen, but after a long listen they seemed unnatural, to me.

B

[TomicTime]

Well, we all hear differently….  There are times and recordings where some good old fashioned tone controls can make some sense. RV might comment on features engineered into the new preamp.

Also a few Vandy dealers carry McIntosh, the make preamps w tone controls and a newly released 8 band EQ. i can’t comment on sonics as my tone control experience is w pretty dated gear.

Best to you

Jim

[ghamilton]

For us older folks that don't hear a good as we use to,  a ribbon tweeter may be best. But the Vandersteen top end is probably tuned more to reality.

[ghamilton]

I have tone controls,...as you can see

Thanks

[Holmz]

On 10/14/2023 at 10:09 AM, ghamilton said:

I have tone controls,...as you can see

Thanks

It’s not the SOTA table.

[TomicTime]

😉 

[Richard Vandersteen]

On 10/13/2023 at 5:36 PM, ghamilton said:

For us older folks that don't hear a good as we use to,  a ribbon tweeter may be best. But the Vandersteen top end is probably tuned more to reality.

ghamilton, this argument is often sited but if live music is our reference (not true for everyone) we hear it with those same ears!  This has a self-calibrating effect but if we reference what we remember in our youth several ribbons may be needed.  We would then be listening in a rodent, bug and people free environment, LOL.  RV

[ghamilton]

👍

[Holmz]

22 hours ago, Richard Vandersteen said:

ghamilton, this argument is often sited but if live music is our reference (not true for everyone) we hear it with those same ears!  This has a self-calibrating effect but if we reference what we remember in our youth several ribbons may be needed.  We would then be listening in a rodent, bug and people free environment, LOL.  RV

You’re assuming some of us are not rodents or bugs? 🙄

[ghamilton]

Well,...who would have thought that changing the power cord on my Luxman L-507z would make such a difference? I had bought a new "FANCY" power cable that was suppose to be an improvement. After living with it for a few weeks I changed back to the cable that came with the amp. The top end on my new 2Ce Siglll Speakers is much better.

Who'd a tunk it!

[GdnrBob]

I wouldn't discount the ability of a power cord that quickly.

When I listened to the AQ Thunder, years ago, it left me with no doubt that power cords can 'improve' sound reproduction.

Unfortunately for you, you got one that did the opposite.

B

[ghamilton]

Yes, I know. Luxman chose their cable carefully.

This is the cable that I tried.

Monosaudio 11 Gauge Audiophile Power Cable High End Power Cable 3-Prong Pure Copper AC Power Cord IEC320 C13 Connectors for Speaker,Power Filter,Audio Equipment,Amplifier,CD/DVD Player(3.3FT/1M) https://a.co/d/096I2to

[ctsooner]

I've had this conversation with Richard recently.  If a product is grounding properly via design, it may not be helped with a power cord. I have three more Hurricane 2m cords that I'm selling that I was using on my Vandy amps and speakers.  They sounded great, but I need the money to get the pre amp that I've been waiting on for a couple of years now, lol.   

Funny as this is a great thread and makes us all think a bit.  Can you imagine if you posted this on AG?  OMG, that would become an 'S' show, lol.  🙂. 

 

[ghamilton]

I believe I will stick with the stock cable. No more wasted money.

[ctsooner]

Save it for component upgrades and be happy :). 

[ghamilton]

I just did an upgrade and I am happy.

Thanks

[DC-93]

        Truth be told, hearing goes south as we get older. Your mileage may vary...