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Got my new Treo CT's about a month and a half ago. Speakers are now burned in and everything sounds amazing. These speakers were a replacement for my 3A Sigs.spacer.png

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Wow Art, these fit in the room like a glove. Beautiful.

How was the transition from 3A to Treo, do you miss any of the bass or does the improvement in mids and highs more than make up for it?

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The Treos blow away the 3A Sigs. Bass is slightly less deep than the 3A's but its much faster and more articulate.  I play a lot of rock and reggae and the Treos will do that kind of music very well as long as you have a powerful amp. 

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Agreed Art.  Moved to Quatro's from Treo's and LOVED them.  To me, it's not close to the 3's at all.  I personally like tight, fast and tuneful bass which the Treo gives you.  Just my choice, but I fully get where many like a larger 3.  The nice thing is that they are all so good and can play any music.  They do less wrong possibly.  Not sure if that says it correctly or not, lol. 

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19 minutes ago, Steve Edwards said:

Beautiful system Art!  Are you using Vandersteen footers under your Treo CT's?

No, Herbies sliders. 

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Oh my Art, you might be amazed how much of an improvement the Vandersteen footers make.  I just swapped out my Herbie's Sliders (brass) and was quite surprised.

ct, I'm confident you will realize a significant improvement as well.  

Play on

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The sliders are squishy.  Very convenient, though. 

Lots of people love how these squishy sorts of isolation feet work.  My guess is that folks who like the Vandersteen sound don't like the sound squishy feet provide when used under loudspeakers.

C'est la vie.

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Agreed with BK here.  As Richard says, you want the speaker to be glued into place and then drain the energy over the granite base.  It sure seems to work as they sound better according to virtually everyone I know or have seen post online.  

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Herbies sliders are out and speakers are now spiked directly to the tile over concrete floor. Better? Yes for sure. I've been planning on doing this for some time but laziness and being really busy is no excuse I guess. Not a huge difference but the bass is better and everything is a bit more "vivid".  I can see people with brighter systems/speakers benefitting from the Herbies sliders. They did make my old 3A sigs sound better though.

Cheers!

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I'm with BK.. heck, even with the MS, I still can have folks who are visiting do it for me, lol....  too lazy to ask them ;).  maybe next week once the footers and washers show up. 

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I should have spent more time listening before making my previous post...after listening for a bit longer my opinion of spiking directly to the floor has changed. I started noticing some harshness to complex music at higher volumes, so I placed my hand on a speaker and it was vibrating much more than ever before. I placed the Herbies sliders back in and the vibration of the speaker cabinets was reduced significantly and the sound became cleaner and I could hear deeper into the music. It appears that mellow music at low-mid volume sounds more vivid but as soon as the musical complexity and volume increase the sound becomes fatiguing.  Apparently my tile over concrete floor is reflecting the speaker vibration back into the cabinet rather than draining it away. I repeated this process twice with all kinds of different music and in my case the Herbies sliders are better.

 

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I don't know which Herbie's you have (brass, stainless steel or titanium), but when I replaced my Herbie's brass with Vandersteen footers, the level of improvement, across the entire frequency range, was not subtle.  Highly recommended.  

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Richard says that you can't run the spikes directly into a hard surface. You need the spike shoes.  It's designed for his speakers.  That felt is a special felt.  He used to recommend carnage bolts for hard wood floors as a spike replacement. 

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Thanks! It just got a lot better after upgrading to some Analysis Plus Big Silver Oval speaker cables. Gave me a lot more resolution top to bottom. I can turn it up loud and it's just effortless with a big bold full sound. 

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Very nice. Something to be said about lighter colors..am impressed at how folks on the forum aren't neglecting aesthetics when it comes to finding home for your gear. Something to be said about concealed wires and speakers appearing at home in the entire room.

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I agree on aesthetics.  I just purchased the AQ Fog Lifters.  the speaker cables will be a 3' run with a bit longer pigtails.  I'll use small plants on the floor as well as two larger ones next to the TV's sides to hide it all.  The trees help break up the sound waves by the cabinet/TV and look great doing it.

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For me the biggest challenge was getting my wife to go along with a bunch of big GIK panels all over the room.  So I got some really awesome ones with art/photo scans that we actually love. Looks and sounds amazing !

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