Huang Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I was thinking what would a Vandersteen designed headphone look and sound like. I wondered if Richard has ever started down this path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Vandersteen Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 I HATE the headphone experience as it is not like listening to music in any venue I have ever experienced. People tell me there are many great ones out there and I have no interest reinventing the wheel. Thanks for asking. RV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huang Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 I appreciate what you do, you do it well. My Treos are singing to me right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Vandersteen Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Thanks, I need to be careful "Knowing a little about everything but not enough about anything". RV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Edwards Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 I’m fairly confident that the members of this forum, and countless others, would contest that self assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 If anyone needs CIEM, IEM or can advice let me know. I’m fairly connected there too. Lol. Also DAP,s and cabling. Ha. Sometimes I need music on the go or when traveling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huang Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 Traveling is my primary headphone use case, and I used headphones quite a bit during the world shutdown (to drown out family ambient noise). I also use headphones for listening late at night when the scotch and music keep calling but the family has gone to bed. My current DAP is the Chord Mojo/Poly combination. The Poly UI is horrible but I am a fan of the Chord sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdnrBob Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Huang said: The Poly UI is horrible What is Poly user interface? B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratocaster Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 If I recall Poly is a streamer (unless I am mistaken). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huang Posted May 22, 2021 Author Share Posted May 22, 2021 Poly is a Chord streamer that interfaces with the Chord mojo. The user interface is via a horrible piece of code called GoFigure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdnrBob Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Ahh, thanks. I have no experience with Chord, hence my ignorance. A quick Google shows Chord works with Roon. Have you tried using that instead? I just switched to Innous, and despite not wanting to pay for yet another software program, I ended up being sold on Roon. -Very nice interface, IMHO. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huang Posted May 22, 2021 Author Share Posted May 22, 2021 The Roon aspect is good, but as this is my portable rig Roon does me no good. Roon is my primary digital interface at home. I was on the fence about Innous, read good things, and almost pulled the trigger. The hard drive cost and the fact that Roon was having a sale on Nucleus + pushed me to Nucleus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdnrBob Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Ah yes, I forgot you were asking about headphones. So, mobility is primo. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huang Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 Bob what makes their hard drive so special. They say it's the formatting but, that could be incorporated into the firmware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 I amusing Roon at home right now. I'm not a fan sound wise, but love what it brings to the table. J River is better sounding as is Ping. I am currently using an AK DAP (newer one). There are some great DAP's out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdnrBob Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 @Huang, I am using Roon with my Innous streamers. Not the Roon system. After using Bluesound Nodes, I find the Roon software app to be one of the better ones out there. IMHO. @ctsooner, I didn't think there would be a difference between Roon and JRiver. What would cause the difference in sound quality? Can it be minimalized in the audio output settings? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Bob, I have no idea why, but I have gone back and forth and it was fairly obvious to me. I have a friend who writes for TAS and he says the same thing and he's the one who reviewed (very positively) the Innuous Extreme and now has what may be the best server/streamer made in for review. He and I have some similar likes, but we do differ a lot of the time, but we both have heard the same differences. BTW, I'm using Roon right now and am liking it a ton. The sound difference isn't large, but it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdnrBob Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Well, as I have said before- Digital streaming is in it's infancy. I have no doubt that in less than 10 years it will mature to the point of equaling analog. I make this statement as I followed digital photography from the beginning of the century till today. In less than 20 years, digital photography has surpassed film. Not only a higher resolution that could be achieved, but the ability to mimic film types are just a mouse click away. I think digital audio will be much the same. Think about having a filter that will mimic your favorite cartridge/tonearm combination. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huang Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 I like digital, I think analog still rules as of today. I have two flavors of DAC, PS Audio DS, and Chord. The PS Audio I think is closest to analog, but the Chord with the Mscaler has to be heard, there is a realism that is uncanny. Bruce at Stereo Unlimited said he has yet to have someone demo it and not buy one. The Cord is on my Treos, The PS Audio is on the Dunlavys. One day I will have to swap and see the differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Vandersteen Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Analog is King! This blog is proof as it is dominated by Vandersteen Owners talking about how they polish the digital turd! HaHa! Nobody talking about how to get good analog because it is good. I bet I'll get flamed for this one.🥵 RV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratocaster Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, Richard Vandersteen said: Analog is King! This blog is proof as it is dominated by Vandersteen Owners talking about how they polish the digital turd! HaHa! Nobody talking about how to get good analog because it is good. I bet I'll get flamed for this one.🥵 RV Richard, I can already sense an angry mob brandishing pitchforks and scythes marching towards you. I guess it’s time to fix a bowl of popcorn and some soda and enjoy the show. 😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdnrBob Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 No flaming from me. I just see a digital future coming, despite what analog lovers believe. The only thing I will agree on is that live music will always outperform any recording.- And, you can't get any more analog than that.☺️ B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huang Posted May 26, 2021 Author Share Posted May 26, 2021 Richard how do you really feel... 😂. I have to say I was digital only for a long time. Then I got my first big boy TT. Shortly there after I got my Treos I have to admit I waited too long for both & it is probably no coincidence one led to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsooner Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Guys, I currently own the best or at worst, second best streamer, server made. I have the most up to date hardware and software and many T's of mostly high res music. Much of it is very well recorded, in addition to a lot of live studio recordings that were ripped directly from the tape. Most of you know my system by now and it's singing. I love my music. I can no longer use a turntable, but I promise you that I keep dreaming of owning even a fairly entry level one. I had this conversation with Richard yesterday. I agree with those who say that all digital still misses out on some of the emotion (is that the correct word? Others say emotion or goosebump factor). I can say that my new player is MUCH closer to analog in goosebump factor. To me, that supports what Bob is saying and that's in time, it may be able to catch up or even surpass analog, but not for a bit. It's also much more expensive to get top digital sound. Digital can do many things that analog can't do and we all are sensitive to different things. If you never really feel goosebumps, then that analog fight goes out the window. You all get where I'm going. There is a need for digital. High res streaming is in the future. Just look at what Apple just announced. Even they are going to CD quality as folks really do want that. There is a place for both analog and digital. I won't be getting an analog rig anytime soon (ever again), but I will always dream about it and enjoy it at the dealers I get to visit. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huang Posted May 28, 2021 Author Share Posted May 28, 2021 Vandertones is on CD... just sayin😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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